and many of the gop are worrying that means they'll join john mccain and lindsay graham in being more open to revenue. former democratic senator bayh on dorgan hopes that's true, he says more revenue's needed. he's joined by former republican senator bob bennett. senator dorgan, we want to start with you. listen, i guess after clubbing the republicans, beating 'em up pretty good the charm defense -- offensive, rather, with was -@maybe the last arrow in the quiver, but you think it might work. >> well, what i hope will work is that people talk about these issues, significant and serious issues the country faces, and describe conditions under which compromises can be reached. fact is, we need to solve these problems, and the lack of going back and forth and trying to find common ground has not been very beneficial. so i think what is going on now is fine. and, by the way, in order to solve these deficit problems, we have to do a little of everything. you need restraint, you need entitlement reform, fiscal restraint, spending restraint, and you also need some additional revenues. charles